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71 April 26 2010 at 03:09:43 Name: Jim Smith Comments: Hi Immanentize, My answers are (1) I'm not an atheist. See http://kent-hovind.com/christian/index.htm (2) Among other things, Hovind and some of his supportersthink it would be a good idea to massacre Muslim POWs and dump them in mass graves filled with pigs' guts. (http://kent-hovind.com/quotes/ethics.htm, then search for the word "pig".) In addition, one Hovind supporter in my home town recruited for the Posse Comitatus, an anti-government paramilitary group. 72 April 25 2010 at 19:56:38 Name: Immanentize my eschaton Comments: WOW! I have 2 questions. 1. If there is no god, why are all of you atheists so angry? (don't deny it) Smile; you have no accountability to anyone, or anything. you should be absolutely giddy with joy! 2. Kent is in prison, and does not, nor has he really ever represented the Christian community as a whole. So why does he represent such a threat to you? You have wasted your life. One more note, please refrain from using debate jargon like: "sock puppet" and "straw man" to try and sound like you people have a higher education than most. You and everyone else, attended an institutional learning facility, and were taught the same regurgitated, and parroted propaganda thats been churned out of these machines going all the way back to Melvil Dewey. You want to shift the burden of proof, and make creation science out to be a fraudulent "bedtime story" more power to you! However; when put through almighty crucible of observed science, the THEORY (yes its still classified as a theory) of evolution is nothing more than a absurd fairy tale. I will not get bogged into a trap of semantics concerning specific terms i.e macro vs micro blah blah ect its all a waste of breath when arguing with your camp. the bottom line is this: both THEORY'S take FAITH to make them palatable. Hovind was right about one thing, evolution theory is a religion as well. one just happens to be taught by the state, the other just gets argued about on pitifull webpages such as this. But I'm digressing........... Congratulations: You Fail! 73 April 08 2010 at 08:53:04 Name: Alex Comments: Ive read some of the last few comments made by the anonymous liar. Ive also read the links posted by jim. Anons most blatant example of dishonesty is in the quote he used from darwin. Like most creationist liars, the anonymous liar leaves out the next 3 or 4 pages where Darwin solves the problem he introduces. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF31ypJhf7E 74 April 07 2010 at 22:03:41 Name: 24.118.175.218 Comments: Actually odd enough I copy and pasted that post off of a link from the homepage of this site. 75 April 07 2010 at 22:02:56 Name: 24.118.175.218 Comments: I think if you read my previous post you can see what's what. 76 April 06 2010 at 11:34:18 Name: Jim Smith Comments: THE ANONYMOUS POSTER AND HIS PUPPET SHOW STRIKE AGAIN Trebob long ago exposed the dishonesty and willful scientific illiteracy of the Anonymous Poster and his numerous sock puppets. I'm not going to waste any more time on him. Instead, I'll just use the anonymous poster's writings as an example of why Hovind supporters are dangerous. Anyone who wants to know more about the Anonymous Poster may read http://trebobslab.blogspot.com/2009/11/well-it-looks-like-we-have-objection-to.html. Since the Anonymous Poster thinks so highly of fellow incompetent and serial liar John Harris, you might also like to read http://trebobslab.blogspot.com/2009/10/more-lessons-in-creationist.html and http://trebobslab.blogspot.com/2009/09/default-response-to-anti-science_14.html. 77 April 06 2010 at 06:39:19 Name: 24.118.175.218 Comments: Is evolution a science? The common theory of evolution states that there was matter and energy, already in existence, that exploded 15 billion years ago (the big bang) and has expanded into the present state of the universe. Hard matter (non-living matter) became biological life over those billions of years of being exposed to energy and has evolved on this planet to the point of life as we know it today. It started as the simplest form of life and gradually became more complex as time went on. This is taught as a science fact in our schools today. Webster� definition for science is: Knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method. In order for something to be �cience fact�it must follow the scientific method of observation, hypothesis, testing and demonstration. Evolution has never been shown to exist in any way, shape or form in any living thing or in any remains found in the earth (discussed further in this book) and no scientist has ever been able to observe, test or demonstrate anything that even remotely corroborates the theory of evolution. No intermediate or transitional stage of evolutionary development of any creature has ever been found. But wait! What about Lucy! What about all the skulls and bones of men in evolutionary stages they�e found! Don� forget this question. I will talk about that later in this book. Evolution is not a science, based on the definition of science, and falls entirely into the realm of a faith based system of belief. The definition of a religion is: A set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature and purpose of the universe. Evolution cannot be proven and as defined practically and literally, it is a belief, not a science, and certainly not fact. It� a belief. Anyone can believe anything they want, but that doesn� make it true. The Law of Science states that �ll things left to themselves will tend towards disorder and decay.� The big bang theory violates this basic law. Order came out of chaos? It� observable that dead animals will decay and rot away. Dead fish will decay and rot away. Dead plants will decay and rot away. Stone buildings from ancient cultures will decay and fall apart. The bible tells us that things will perish and wax old: Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment. We find the same verbiage in Psalms 102:26. Everything rots away eventually if it is left exposed to the elements. If it� buried it can turn to stone in a relatively short time (a year or two is all that� necessary), but it will not survive if it� left out in the elements. We�l talk more about this later. People used to believe that a big rock would fall faster than a small rock. Today we know that they fall at the same speed. There are many, many examples of old science theories that have been proven wrong. Today� science �act�becomes tomorrows discarded trash. Belief does not make something true. Evolution �act�has many conflicts depending on what book you read. It is a belief, not a science. The bible only has one truth. Even Charles Darwin acknowledged the inadequacy of evolution when he wrote, "To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree." (Darwin 1872) 78 March 31 2010 at 13:19:16 Name: Jim Smith Comments: Have You Come Here to Defend Hovind? ************************************ first posted by Jim Smith 5 June 2009 As a former scientist myself, I admit with shame that some prominent scientists are so biased against religion that they cannot read, accurately, an article entitled "Taking Science on Faith" (Footnote 1). I condemn that bias. I also acknowledge and condemn the prejudice and plain malice that many people have toward Fundamentalists in general, and toward poor rural fundamentalists in particular (Footnote 2). The above having been said, the fact remains that Kent Hovind is an unrepentant liar, slanderer, hatemonger, and fraud, as well an a willfully ignorant incompetent. There is overwhelming evidence for this. Hovind supporters who are unaware of this evidence will, of course, want to see it before defending him. The following is a brief list of readings and related questions to acquaint you with a small portion of the evidence. If you search for the indicated words, then answer the questions by copying and pasting, this process won't take more than 20 minutes. My responses to Hovind defenders typically take me considerably longer to write and post. I regret that for that reason, I will give only the following reply if you don't answer all of the questions before defending him: *****Since you do not wish to spend as much time reviewing the evidence as I will need to respond *****to your post, you apparently do not really care whether Hovind is a liar and incompetent or *****not, nor are you willing to make a good-faith effort to ensure that the statements you make in his *****defense are accurate. Therefore, there is no point in having this discussion. Thank you for your time. P.S. By the way, and so you will know: Yes, I have seen Hovind's materials, and review one of his videos at http://kent-hovind.com/christian/rebuttal19th.htm. I have also read much of what is available at www.freehovind.com, as well as the appeal of his conviction. I assume that the appeal he filed presents the best-documented, most carefully-argued case he and his legal counsel could make against the government's conduct, as well as against his conviction and the sentence he received. Therefore, I have not taken the time to read anything else on those subjects. ******************************************* READINGS AND RELATED QUESTIONS BEGIN ******************************************* Reading 1 (from the Young Earth Creationist Organization "Creation Ministries International" (CMI), update of 2006) http://creation.com/maintaining-creationist-integrity-response-to-kent-hovind Question 1. There is a paragraph near the beginning that starts with the words **In the interests of maintaining Christian/creationist integrity, **. Please search for it, then copy and paste the rest of the paragraph in your post. Question 2. CMI states that it is not able to **recommend Hovind's material or trust his discernment in many areas, frankly.** What action of Hovind's does CMI give as the reason for this decision? Question 3. Please find the sentence that contains **a form of false witness **. Copy and paste the full sentence, plus the one that follows. Question 4. Please find the paragraph that begins **[CMI]: This seems an easy way**. Copy and paste the last full sentence of the paragraph. Question 5. Please find the sentence Paluxy tracks prove that humans and dinosaurs co-existed Copy and paste the full paragraph shortly afterward that begins **[CMI]: The repeated use of this approach**. Question 6. Please copy and paste the second sentence of the paragraph that begins**[CMI]: A worthy cause, and one we should all be engaged in** Reading 2. (Regarding Iraq and the Philippines, http://kent-hovind.com/quotes/ethics.htm Please search the page for the word "pig". Name at least one war crime that Hovind either approves of or advocates, according to the paragraphs that contain that word. ********************************** END OF READINGS AND QUESTIONS ********************************** Footnotes 1. We can see some scientists' biases in their responses to Paul Davies' 2007 article "Taking Science on Faith". It's best to read Davies' reply first (http://www.edge.org/discourse/science_faith.html#davies), then his article (http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/davies07/davies07_index.html), and finally the scientists' responses (http://www.edge.org/discourse/science_faith.html). 2. Please see "One Nation under Elvis: An Environmentalism for Us All" (http://www.orionmagazine.org/index.php/articles/article/2845). 79 March 19 2010 at 18:36:36 Name: guess who [24.118.175.218] Comments: holy cow have you guys seen some of the ads on your site. I clicked the "do you remember Herbert W. Armstrong" on and I am astonished that you would allow such perversion of Christ's teachings. Just look at what it says Today, the same Work Jesus Christ accomplished for more than 52 years through Herbert W. Armstrong is again being carried out through David C. Pack and The Restored Church of God, through The Real Truth magazine and The World to Come program. The good news of the kingdom of God is once again being proclaimed to the entire world, providing plain answers to today� greatest questions! Almost sounds like he thinks himself as great as God. come on do you seriously approve of this man claiming himself to be the next Jesus Christ. You seriously need to rethink your way of life. 80 March 17 2010 at 21:35:46 Name: 24.118.175.218 Comments: please feel free to correct me if im wrong 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >>
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